Well, OK, it’s not really new. Some automakers, like GM, have been recording consumer driving habits since the early 1990s. In fact, around 91 percent of all light-duty vehicles in the US currently contain data logging devices.
Motor Authority is reporting the new National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) mandate, which has been approved by the White House, requires 100 percent of all new cars to incorporate data recorders in 2013.
These new “black boxes,” which probably won’t be black or boxy, will measure 15 data points, including; brake pressure; speed; steering angle; and even seatbelt usage. What this data will be used for – and who will own this data – is presently unclear. Be sure law enforcement and insurance agencies will try their hardest to get a hold of the data.
For now, this development shouldn’t represent any real change for consumers. In several years, however, it could. Insurance companies, in order to deny accident claims, could readily use these data points to raise rates on erratic and unsafe drivers. Along those same lines, law enforcement – in the foreseeable future – try to access this data wirelessly and on the fly, raising a whole host of privacy concerns.
Although these blind boxes are most likely a good thing for your every day consumer, we wonder if they shouldn’t additionally require dash cams like they do in Russia. Speed and brake application data can be helpful to determine wrongdoing but a video would be even better. Dash cams, if not make us more accountable behind the wheel, would certainly provide some hair-raising video for YouTube.
Good thing I’m not an idiot…drivin an old Yota 5spd fuck your abs traction control and obd2 real shit just driving Ain’t no electronics controlling my rig
Cool i only buy older used cars anyway.
Creepy
If you don’t like stuff like this, then why do you reelect the same people back in office?
Cue “every breath you take.” By the Police.
Oh my….
@Alex M Rivera.. The difference is the government doesn’t force us to have a gps in our phone.
That should help sales of older vehicles.
and for u silly asses who think this is for our own good…smh Hitler was for the jews own good too right??? dumb bastards. I dont have a guilty conscience I HAVE A BRAIN AND I UNDERSTAND NEWSPEAK U EYES WIDE SHUT DOUCHEBAGS
Simple, just hack enough of them to record dirty unreliable data, and they will never be admissible in court.
“Another American freedom being taken away?” Lol Let me tell you a little secret. That device we put to our ears to talk tracks our location already
No more rid’n dirty Ty, lol
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Cars will be driving themselves someday.
Just root your car!
American consumers have only themselves to blame for choosing convenience over freedom.
I never saw that coming……
This is a good idea?
wow. 1984 continues to arrive.
Except driving isn’t a liberty or a freedom.
Your CHOICE to purchase and own an older, quality-constructed, enthusiast automobile over a new, overly complicated, soulless, vendor-constructed same-mobile IS a freedom. Exercise it.
Soon my car is going to print me a traffic ticket -__-
Ya they call it an “unsafe start”… I’ve gotten a few of those over the years..
It’s utterly amazing how people are willing to give up liberties and freedom for the false sense of safety, at their own peril and those of the entire society.
Shawn Hansen that’s actually illegal. I forgot what it’s called bt excessive acceleration is illegal and u can get pulled over
Scary isn’t this ! Just another way that the goverment and large corporations can take even more control of our lives . And how ironic that is considering that they have lost control of themselves…..
Just remove it from your vehicle.
Muscle cars!
I suppose someday you will just automatically get a ticket in the mail if you break the speed limit for more than 30 seconds. :(
eh who cares, I can still go from zero to 60 fast as hell and not break a law.
Brave New World
Eek!
Africa needs to take a cue from this. http://www.digitalafrica.com.ng.
they store 5 seconds of data.
If they’re going to track us, why not track each other and start driving too?
Are they using it to track speed and driving habits? Who does and doesn’t have insurance? The events leading to a crash? The Idea is a little unnerving but maybe there’s an actual reason
Not Good, except for your teenage drivers. Got Ya Kid!
akoz de sa, jai renault4 et mon cellulaire siemens c 25 la.
Wow! Not sure if this is a good thing…
Monitored in the car , at work, on the phones , on the computer, while watching tv , soon the toilet paper roll will send reports as well . America, is it like nazi germany yet? The early years , when every citizen was a potential enemy of the state , and had to work hard at PROVING their Innocence daily by spying and ratting out their neighbors . The similarities are eerie
Why can’t you idiots be nice to each other? It’s the holidays you douchebags. Lol j/k
big brother..
Why can’t people debate without name calling or insulting. People it’s ok to disagree!
lol, I’ll second that ;) Nice try Chad…
oh, the irony….
Scam
Most people don’t “own” their cars either, actually. Not outright anyway. Banks do. And if an insurance company requires it for full coverage vehicles (which is ANY vehicle that is financed) guess what? People will suck it up and drive on. Personally, I don’t buy new cars anyway. It’s just not a financially sound investment when you consider that you’re upside down on it the minute you drive it off the lot. I’d love to see more cities with mass transit lines, trains and buses anyway, but that’s just the earth-tree-huggin-hippie/cheap bastard coming out in me, I s’pose.
Your an idiot. Period
But most of us don’t own airplanes, we own cars. We should have the right to say yea or nay, I have no problem but many do
Yet thousands get on airplanes each day with nary a squeak…..
Complete violation of a U.S. Citizen’s RIGHT to privacy
interesting…
Great way to tax is on the miles we drive.
Almost every car since the advent of airbags has had a “black box”. This is just hyperbole, same as if congress told automakers their cars need tires to be driven.
If you know of someone who was killed in a car accident, this box could mean the differance between them getting off scott free or paying for their reckless driving. Besides if you own a GPS or have a cell phone you can be tracked anyway! Anyone ever seen court TV? They can track your location by the nearest cell tower, So what’s the big deal?
big deal is i dont want it in my car. it should be MY choice if i want this.
if they want
love it, get the idiot off the road!
Y ?
Some of yall need to calm the f down…yall aint that important that the govt needs to know what youre doing all the time. Those black boxes will be good in case of an accident or stolen vehicle.
Javi said it, just like in the airplane. Some people are just paranoid, guilty conscience….
not cool
They’re gonna lose business.
Yes….master……….
wow
Thank you Federal government for making my current vehicles priceless collectibles.
Why do we tolerate this?
Because we are freaking castrati?
Come to think about, that would be a good name for one of these finkmobiles: The Buick Castrati.
New cars are so expensive that many are turning to used cars now.
Glad the economy sucks and I will never be able to afford one. How are cops gonna break the rules in there home cars. They won’t like having to abide by the laws .
WAIT HOLD ON WHAT THE FUCK????? How they allowed to do this? I’m never buying a newer car
This fucking sucks and should be resisted.
After market ECM’s online!! Remove& replace!!! Although could viod warantie?!
Used cars it is
I have a theory that onstar systems were already doing that
Wow that is disturbing
I drive a CLassic car over here in the UK so won’t ever fit a Black Box ;)
What a dumb idea. Black boxes belong in commercial, not private, vehicles.
Somebody will figure out how to disable it.
Lame, my insurance rates are going to skyrocket.
1984???
1984 was supposed to be fiction….right guys?!
What is going on here? Hopefully you can turn it off, like on your iphone…
Marshall Law soon to be in effect ppl!!! Well the patriot act allows our gov to spy on us so thank u to all the smart voters who passed the patriot act! Lol so sad
I don’t like this.
Hell naw damn that shit. Where is the horse and buggy?
Lolz. The USA doesn’t need car black boxes to track any one person. Half of you have probably been flagged for using certain keywords on Facebook anyway.
Another thing the gov is doing to control us.. Washington needs to be shut down..
fuuuck that. people who think this is a good thing have no idea they cna track and i am sure hear you. also i am sure they will keep track of your every move
Big brother is watching!
I have a 63 Chevy no black box
I’m going to go blast Rush’s “Red Barchetta” and rock myself in the corner.
guess i’ll ride the bus and my bike from now on lol
Notice it’s called an event data recorder. It’s just like the black box in aircraft. It would only be used to investigate a collision or some major action. If anything it can help you because now cops will have to think twice about writing bogus tickets because you could show up with the black box info. From everything I’ve read it does not actually transmit like onstar does. It’s just an ecu recording box to know the conditions of the vehicle during an investigation. But it is also powered thru multiple subsystems in the vehicles electrical system just like daytime running lights currently. Meaning there is no way to pull a fuse to shut it off because the same fuse would also control the PCM ECM or bcm and those modules need power for the vehicle to turn on.
I thought this should happen years ago! No issue about freedoms…but used only in accidents.
Creepy. Period.
Yeah but I can choose to leave my phone somewhere or take out the battery. I choose to have a cell phone and let it track me. This is invasion of privacy cause I have no say in who knows what or if they are allowed to track me.
You’re already being tracked, inside and out of your car. By cell phone signal
This is scary…
What happens to the data? Can they record were you drove to? and time spent at that location? Who owns the data? Would you be willing to turn over the data to the insurance company for a cheaper rate?
And you guys think that OnStar and other services with built in GPS can’t be used to track you already?
I wonder if they will be removeable or if certain subsystems will simply not function without it.
Nice hustle insurance company’s I’m sure we will have to pay for those to be installed and not get paid for doing research for them
I don’t have OnStar or GPS.
I wont be buying a car with this in it, and if I should happen to have to in the future I will find a mechanic who knows a work around
This actually isn’t all that new. I bought a 2010 Corolla that has an EDR in it. This is a move that’s been planned for a few years…
Smh
One more freedom being stripped away! It’s just the beginning folks.
I’d rather get a 2012
not to mention that lil black box can control your car, so if your caught going to fast or doing something you shouldn’t be doing, they can shut down your ECU and you’ll be stuck
But it’s “for our protection and well-being” right?……..duh….drooool……duh…….drooooool
Anything the government “passes” to track it’s citizens concern me.
nothing to see here, just another small American freedom being taken from you daily.
The 2014 Government Mandated Anal GPS monitors should be a big hit as well!
No one buy new cars!! That will stop it
Can anyone say “Big Brother!!!”
Hahahaa freedom is a joke.
WOW!
Whatever. Fuck it. I’ll drive an old van that’s all souped up. Fucking government.
and the black market for hacked black boxes open
Def some privacy concerns here.
Starting to think these militia nuts are right about us being three steps away from being either a communist Stalin state or full fledged nazi. Sad days are these.
used car prices just tripled.
interesting how these get mandated so quickly but mpg takes 4-5 years to phase in.
to many obvious but unanswered questions