Is the Microsoft Surface the next killer tablet? All these “killer this” and “killer that” comparisons get out of control. Every new challenger is hyped as the killer of what came before. But sometimes, it’s true. The iPad really turned out to be a PC killer. People bought iPads instead of buying new PCs, and that market took a pretty big hit. Apple pulled this off by building something that changed the rules for a PC, and we saw it differently.
Where the PC was about performance, the iPad was about portability. Where the PC was about mice and keyboards, the iPad opted for touch, and where the PC was generally about productivity, the iPad was about entertainment.
But it forced a hard choice that most of us didn’t really want to make: Tablet or laptop? This was because the iPad was really a netbook that swapped the keyboard and mouse for a touchscreen, and the iPad’s shortcomings made it a very difficult product to live on exclusively. Most iPad buyers had to keep their PCs or buy MacBooks, and that took what was already an expensive solution and increased it.
With the Surface, Microsoft is trying to reverse the deck and do to Apple what Apple did to PC’s.
Productivity
The Surface comes with Microsoft Office, the unchallenged, dominant desktop productivity product in the market. In fact, the ARM-based Surface actually bundles in Office, so you get productivity capability out of the box, putting it ahead of most PCs. But let’s not stop there, because unlike Apple, Microsoft isn’t being as restrictive of apps that fall into their turf. For instance, the apps can share data, so you can be looking up restaurants on one screen, and then simply click to bring up navigation, or some other app that can use the information from that initial screen. Microsoft also designed in a high degree of accuracy, so you can use a stylus, a tool typically preferred over a finger for creating art or editing pictures. These aren’t netbooks with touchscreens instead of keyboards, they are full PCs. That generally means you should be able to leave the laptop at home or in the office more often.
Designed from the inside out
Apple designs from the outside in. While this does result in beautiful products, it also results in painful problems like Antennagate, or cost problems, which may explain why the iPad mini is priced a whopping 60 percent above the rest of the market. This is also why the first iPhone, when it was presented, was pretty much a pretty brick that took months to get working. When car companies take this approach, you get rolling art that costs a fortune to maintain and isn’t very reliable.
Microsoft made a big point of designing from the inside out with the surface. Engineers got the product properly equipped, adequately reinforced, and balanced before designers wrapped the result in a pretty case. The end result is a tablet with a screen optimized for movies and video; a balance that makes it feel lighter than it is and with a full set of features. (It’s missing a 4G radio, but because only about 10 percent of tablets have WAN radios turned on.) Microsoft even put in a fast-charge battery, so you can go from dead to near full charge in around two hours. Oh, and another in-your-face move is that while Apple uses magnetic plugs to charge for their laptops (which uniquely saves the laptop if you trip over the cord), it doesn’t appear on the iPad. The Surface does have this magnetic design. When Apple and Microsoft signed the last cross licensing agreement, Microsoft agreed not to copy the iPad. Instead, it ripped a part off the MacBook to improve its own tablet. Now that really is getting in Apple’s face.
The necessity of a keyboard
A few years back, before the iPad, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were on stage, and Bill said something to the effect that tablets were the future for mobile PCs. Steve pretty much said that only idiots would buy a tablet, because a keyboard was simply too irreplaceable.
Now, both the iPad and Surface tablets have optional magnetic covers, but only Microsoft’s comes with a built-in keyboard. This makes it look like the Surface Tablet is a better presentation of Jobs’ vision than the iPad, and that is about as “in your face” as we can get.
I think it would be fun to run the clip of Steve Jobs calling tablets without keyboards stupid right after a clip of Tim Cook talking about tablets with keyboards as the ugly result of refrigerators and toasters mating, and then follow it with the number of iPad keyboards sold (the market for this has turned out to be impressively large).
Marketing is key
After seeing the cringe-worthy Olympic ads that Apple did, I’m convinced that a lot of talented people left the company after Steve Jobs passed. This gives Microsoft the potential to out-market Apple this round. Kathleen Hall’s advertising team at Microsoft is considered one of the best in the business, but Microsoft traditionally under-funds advertising. If it does that here, this potential Apple killer will follow the Zune into the dustbin of history. The initial TV ads are good, but they’ll need Apple-like seeding and sustained marketing programs (read: loads of cash) to assure this “killer” product reaches its potential. If it opens its wallet wide enough for that, Microsoft may do to Apple what Apple did to it with the iPod, iPhone and iPad, and find that revenge can be oh so sweet.
Check out our review of the Microsoft Surface with Windows RT tablet.

Most people realize that whenever Microsoft comes out with something, it’s not a good idea to get it until the 3rd generation comes out.
So true.
Surface with Windows RT is going to crash and burn. People are going to buy it with the assumption that it will work with legacy software and hardware. It won’t, they’ll return it end of story. MS has really hit a wall in what they can do because they always try to please everyone with legacy compatibility. Then when something like RT comes along which completely breaks with legacy people think ‘that’s the only reason I buy windows stuff…’
funny picture windows 8:
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You know, I said the very same thing and yet people seem to think I am crazy.
If Microsoft Surface and RT take off, will you admit your wrong? I heard all the same things from people when the IPad came out, the Amazon Kindle, even DVD’s – remember how the Laser Disk failed and thus will DVD. Only time will tell and everything else is hearsay…
Microsoft have stated categorically it doesn’t work with legacy and 3rd party apps on their website. I own ipad and love to buy ipad 4 but I want surface pro first.
Yep just like they assume an ipad runs windows and can burn CDs. Get real… folk aren’t daft.
I dont love Apple ; no secret. BUT I do wish everyone would stop the ‘kil a device’ rubbish. Why can’t we all be happy with the whole lot? I’ve an ipad, a transformer but still see room in my worklife for this. I want a keyboard, mouse, and touch… why can’t folk see the benefits of having it all????
If you’re happy with a pad, half a screen when typing and no mouse then so be it. I use a BT keyboard but miss the mouse when I citrix to my work desktop, hence the transformer. Your choice is different though I’m quite sure that’s more because you have an ipad and have closed your mind. Chill and let the rest of us enjoy it.
Exactly, nicely said!
Same as every other tech company. It is called the evolution of technology.
No, not really — I’ve found that Apple products are good to go from day 1. Yes, future versions are improved in line with the ‘evolution-of-technology’ you mentioned, but, the 1st versions are excellent.
Microsoft’s first versions are more of a rough-draft, 2nd generations have most of the kinks ironed out, and the 3rd version is what they should’ve released to start with. Just the way they do it.
Thanks anyways though for stopping by ;-)
The first iPhone was actually pretty rough as was 3 and 4. And even 5 has had some issues with the 4s being the best, in terms of quality out of the box. But agree most of their issues have been pretty minor and this is because Jobs personally did quality control and fired anyone that he thought screwed up his product which is why the MobileMe folks are gone, the antenna guy is gone etc. Cook is much more easy going but Microsoft really needs much more rigor with regard to initial hardware quality.
Issues with 1st-generation Microsoft products are reasons not to get them, that’s not the case with Apple product launches… ;-)
Agree on typical first generation, disagree on Apple, think the iPod 2 and iPhone 2 folks were glad they waited. The iPod one had the biggest return rate in history the January after launch.
Is there a link to that info? Sounds like the details would be an interesting read being as I’ve not heard anything about it before… ;-)
It’s difficult to find, Apple did a nice job covering it up. What happened was tons of folks got them as gifts not realizing that the first generation only worked with Macs, it wasn’t until the iPod 2 came out that they would work with Windows. Jobs initially wanted to use the iPod to drive Mac sales then realized it was a powerful stand alone product once the third party PC tools were available. Music Match, the third party company, got burned badly.
Hmmm… wonder how Apple could cover up something that would surely have been heavily covered by tech-media…
Wasn’t hard this was before Google. Most of the reports on activities like this were limited distribution and sold to vendors. But Apple has always been very good at covering up problems, Jobs locked them down pretty tightly.
So… there’s nothing to substantiate any of what you’ve said? That would make it hearsay…
Except I was one of the analysts that wrote those internal reports back then. But to be accurate anything anyone says is hearsay…
…whatever…
Enderle: “It’s difficult to find, Apple did a nice job covering it up.”
You’re full of sh*t, Enderle, as usual.
Article: “Apple designs from the outside in. While this does result in beautiful products, it also results in painful problems like Antennagate, or cost problems, which may explain why the iPad mini is priced a whopping 60 percent above the rest of the market.”
The BS and lies never end @ Microsoft ZDNet.
“Cook is much more easy going”; no he isn’t. Jobs invested his powers in Cook for a reason, if you screw up you are history. Hence Forstall and Browett leaving Apple.
The first iphone was not rough. at the time it blew away every phone out there and revolutionized the industry. The 4 is still a solid phone. The 5 is a great phone but everyone poo poos it because android finally caught up with apple in innovation and it didn’t have a magical wipe your ass feature that usually attracts the fanboys.
Microsoft hasn’t even come close to rolling out a device that’s finished on the first or second try.
Apple good from day one lol lets bring out a device that will n=browse the web (IPAD) then lets not give it any form of flash support (most web pages now look rubbish and dont function as web page designer intended) BRilliant Apple well done! Now lets also not give the device any form of connectivitry to anything other than the useless itunes lol NO USB ports on any version of ipad!!!!! HDMI Output NO and yet people (i call them people but wonder if they think for themselves) still buy Apple goods LOL! In the end people will wake up to Apples profiteering (bring out new versions with no difference whatsoever to previous versions) and pay no national taxes in any country that has the cheek to legally ask for tax from their profits!!! No Apple is not for me and i hope people will eventually say enough is enough either give us the features WE want or WE wont buy!!!!
And yet even with all of those “failings” it is still a far superior device to surface or any android tablet. It outsells everything even close to resembling it. I wonder why that is, if it is such a piece of crap? :)
IPAD (ALL VERSIONS) NO flash support, NO HDMI out, NO USB
Yes Apple brought out a nice device in the IPAD but it was totally useless for anything other than a 10 minute toy due to the afore mentioned omissions and due to this i wouldn’t want an IPAD even if it was free of charge!
I have had more trouble with my iPhone 4 since I install iOS6. Not responding, slower, and that is not their first iteration. So maybe I missed something.
I’m still waiting for an Apple product worthy of my time and money :)
Agree (Apple strip all useable features from their products and idiots then go and buy them) lol
Rob, you are right that Apple made the iPad successful by creating something unique and new, and I feel like Microsoft “sorta” did that with the Surface, but really flubbed it up for a couple of reasons:
1) Having two architectures is an awful idea. Just stick with the main Windows 8 powered tablet and ditch RT. Stupid idea and totally confusing to users
2) No offense, but the keyboard is stupid. And charging $130 or whatever high price they are charging, is even dumber. They should have sold a “real” dock for the surface for home use or left the keyboard out all together.
3) Not a big fan of the kickstand. My kids will break that in about 5 minutes.
4) Charging $499 for the RT version (not even the fully featured one) is ludicrous. And that’s for the base model with 32GB of RAM I believe. Then tack on $130 if you want a keyboard? Microsoft is pricing themselves out of the market.
5) All of the reviews on the Surface out there are bad so far. Windows RT runs like beta software. Not a good start for MS.
I think the Surface will be canceled in 12 months.
Two architectures stupid. Like iOS and MacOS? At least they got a common UI. RT is targeted at iOS 98 at MacOS. I’m guessing you haven’t used the keyboard, there are two of them either is better than a touch screen keyboard. If your kids would break the kickstand I’m guessing they’d break the screen on the iPad equally quickly (suggest getting them a Fire or a Nexus 7 at least you’ll only be out $200) but then if you have them earn the product they may take better care of it. $499 or the same price as an iPad which isn’t anywhere near as capable as a MacBook? Agree there seem to be a lot of negative reviews but what is strange is most seem to be from folks who haven’t received the hardware.
There are some problems though. Sales people aren’t well trained on Surface and appear to be selling it on features it doesn’t have. Seeding is light and the review program seems all but non-existent which is why the number of negative reviews. And they still don’t have a crisp message that explains the difference between RT and 8. Oh, and what about all of the other tablets? If they don’t get this stuff fixed your outlook for the product could be exactly right.
You are comparing apples and oranges. iOS is for phone and tablets, MaxOS is for desktops. Microsoft has two different OSes for the SAME Surface tablet. That’s confusing.
The kickstand looks flimsy and once open it looks like someone could just break it by pushing down on the tablet, that would be easier than breaking a screen IMO.
No they don’t, Windows 8 is for x86, Windows RT is for ARM, MacOS is for x86, iOS is for ARM. The hardware is actually very different only the cases are similar. On fragile I think you are more likely to drop a tablet then force it down hard enough to break it. That being said the kickstand needs to allow the tablet to drop more at ends up pointing the camera at your chin, so to your point, you might try to force it down and break it.
So a consumer would not confuse two tablets, one running Windows RT and another running Windows 8? Do you think they know the difference between ARM and X86?
I’m with you on the confusion, I’m just saying inside they are as different as a Mac and an iPad the fact they are very similar on the outside is going to create an issue which is why they aren’t selling both right now. They could have easily brought out the Pro version at the same time. They need a very crisp way to segment these products and I just don’t see that yet.
I would agree with that. They look the same but operate very differently. I don’t know how they could segment these products either. I think the easiest way would have been to keep the RT tablets at maybe a 7″ screen size and the Windows 8 version at 10″. Something physically differentiating the two.
RT is better under 12″ and pro better over 12″, RT better where entertainment is primary and productivity secondary, Pro the opposite. In short RT if you want an iPad plus, Pro if you want a tablet instead of a notebook.
But nobody cares what they look like on the inside. You are making a dumb argument. In reality, the average consumer (the same people that buy ipads) will be confused by RT and Pro versions of a tablet that looks identical. I used Windows 8 all through the consumer preview and still use it. I LOVE it. I think Microsoft finally got their OS right. But trying to take on the iOS store with a crippled version of Windows 8 was a mistake. It’s like they didn’t listen to ANY of the complaints against iOS on the iPad and just thought, once again, that they knew what people wanted and could do the tablet store better. Well they don’t and can’t and the proof is in the poor sales.
No, their burned fingers will tell them which one the x86 model is. :)
hah this is true. That sucker probably gets pretty hot.
Tablets are not unique or new to Apple, Windows ran on tablets before the iPad existed.
I would disagree with that. Before the iPad, tablets were thick, clunky, had poor battery life and were heavy. Apple re-invented the tablet market. And millions upon millions of consumer who bought the iPad would likely agree with that statement.
This is the sad truth, Microsoft did bring out tablets first the damn things were heavy, had poor battery life and were very expensive. Basically Apple looked at the tablet and netbook, married them and created a better product than either (granted it helped that they marketed the result well).
Which makes me even more frustrated with Microsoft. I am a huge MS fan and I hate seeing their weird executions. I’m typing this on a Falcon NW desktop gaming rig I absolutely love, and hate admitting when Apple does this right and MS doesn’t.
Amen brother….
You two should get a hotel room….
I don’t know about Ian, but I’m thinking no.
For the record, the tablet idea began with Apple with the Newton. That was 10 years before Microsoft ever came out with a tablet version of Windows. Apple even helped to develop the basic ARM architecture for the Newton because ARM did not exist at the time. Steve killed off the Newton to focus on core products at the time. He later revisited the tablet concept and reimagined it with the iPad when Apple was flush with cash and in a position to take risks again. You are wrong. Although many people share your inaccuracy due to Bill Gates claiming credit for “inventing” the tablet PC.
He’s right.
Ian,
Please understand a few fact on why Microsoft did two versions that apparently a lot of iFans aren’t understanding is RT (as stated in this article) is more for people who aren’t easily confused by a name difference, for people who want the full “metro” feel, it has amazing battery life, does overheat while in use, and out of the box I was using it for hours and has yet to drop under 10% battery life. The kick stand is not fragile, it is pretty sturdy, my 5 year old knows how to use it, I have no worries about it breaking. The specs are not 32GB of ram, it has 2GB of RAM and 32 GB of memory with the option of adding a 64 microSD card. The 16GB iPad is $499.99. Low memory, no Office and battery is okay. I have an iPad and used it, great design, smooth. Everything new thing is going to have a learning curve, you think when the iPad/iPhone first came out you knew everything? No, you were just willing to learn. Be open minded when using the Surface, the keyboard is optional, not a must buy and Use it before you bash it. Rob is pointing out these features having used it and your bashing it and have yet to even hold on. Smart, do you do this often?
And you still see no confusion between the naming convention?
Who cares about the name!! I’m going for the cheap one!!!
I think adding “Pro” to the name is kind of self-explanatory.
I’ve been going through a list of reviews from Forbes, CNN/Time, Engaget, Chicago Sun Times etc. They are all pretty glowing arguing that this is better than any Android tablet in the market and equivalent, though very different, than an iPad. Several consistent findings: The keyboard is both brilliant and necessary, the kickstand requires an adult body weight to break and snaps back, the price is a better deal than the iPad, and they like the software (complaints are on the non-metro office, no outlook, and too few apps). It is a 1.0 product so there are cautions but for a 1.0 product this “most reviews are negative stuff” is just crap.
Here is Times/CNN (Harry McCracken): http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/tech/mobile/microsoft-surface-reviewed/index.html
Engadget: http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/tech/mobile/microsoft-surface-reviewed/index.html
Wired: http://www.wired.com/reviews/2012/10/microsoft-surface/3/
Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2012/10/27/microsoft-surface-first-impressions-and-shattered-misconceptions/?commentId=commentblogAndPostId/blog/comment/2327-1211-278
Chicago Sun TImes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2012/10/27/microsoft-surface-first-impressions-and-shattered-misconceptions/?commentId=commentblogAndPostId/blog/comment/2327-1211-278
ZDNet: http://www.zdnet.com/more-apps-are-available-at-launch-for-microsoft-surface-than-seen-for-ios-and-android-7000006478/
C/Net: http://sulia.com/channel/all-tech-science/ (mostly talking about demand)
Ludacris? Really? If you’re referring to the hard working rap star, I’m with you; if not it’s ludicrous that you spelled it ludacris.
Not that I entirely disagree with you re: the Surface RT. My dad is 75 and can’t figure out how to check his email half the time, but it took him about 5 minutes at the Microsoft Store before he realized he has to wait for the Surface Pro.
Ah, good catch, I fixed it. I feel inferior now though due to my spelling error, so my whole argument must now be invalid right?
Come now, there was no personal insult implied; no need to get cranky. Sometimes a guy has to have a little fun when he’s bored out of his mind on a slow night.
As for you argument, some of it is valid, some not so much. I’m not convinced that Windows RT was a great idea, but I can see why Microsoft felt it was necessary. Intel has comprehensively dropped the ball when it comes to tablet processors, and MS wants to break into the tablet market. I feel that if RT survives two years, it will survive as the new ecosystem will be sufficient to support it by then. I’m not convinced it has two years in it, however.
Likewise, I think it’s $200 overpriced, but I can understand why they felt they had to price it at $499; slashing the price would have assured market share for Win RT, but would have destroyed their already strained relationship with the OEMs. Nothing like pricing your hardware partners out of the market to ensure a little ill will. A $299 price would have incurred losses ultimately made up with Windows store revenues, a la Amazon’s business model, but would have driven the OEMs back into the arms of Android and turned them from partners to competitors.
Why not call it something more distinguishable like “Windows Simple” or something like that. Do people know what RT stands for?
And yes, it’s $200 too high.
Cheers!
Maybe “Windows Tablet” in the vein of “Windows Phone.” I agree that Windows RunTime is meaningless to the average person, but if it gets over, it ultimately it won’t matter; RT will simply mean RT.
I have a rule about naming (I only did it once while at IBM) the only thing everyone will agree on when it comes to a new product name is that the person who came up with it is an idiot. You have no idea what a nightmare naming is until you’ve done it.
Or Windows “Special”. As it already stands for ReTarded in my opinion.
Your sarcasm is excellent, sir :)
Microsoft May put me out of a job
As a Microsoft Certified Engineer I always had this notion in my mind that as long as Microsoft is in business I will have a job. My thought process was that the support industry Microsoft managed to create by launching Windows products which crash, corrupt or Blue screened put food on several tables over the years and as long as Microsoft had its way we support pro’s will always be able to feed our families without fear. I always used to say that I should be the CEO of Microsoft instead of Mr. Balmer because I can relate to the real world better than a Billionaire who had little to lose. Stepping into the footsteps of my role model Mr. Gates was a huge task and I don’t think anyone of this planet could fulfill that requirement including me.
Windows 8 and Microsoft Surface tablet sent chills thru my body today. Even though I have been using Windows 8 for over a month I could not feel the difference as I always left my machine on the Desktop mode to get my work done. Click on the icons to connect to my customer’s XP, & 7 machines to fix their corrupted printer drivers, login to reinstall an app because for no real reason Acrobat stopped sending out errors when opening files. During my initial years of learning how to fix machines I always thought it was the users who use to break stuff so they did not have to work and easily blame the computer. Then I figured during mid-years of my career that I could oversell the users into buying more software by showing all the cool features and scare them into how complicated it was to configure an application. I consider myself a little matured in the industry now and I just wait for things to break. I got more calls asking me to fix corruptions and Malware I had to hire people. During my discussion a few months ago with a customer on why they needed to pay me I said “Dan as long as Microsoft is in business, you are bound to pay me because I can bet that it will break.”
When I opened my Surface RT tablet this morning shock is the only word I can use. The only question in my mind was “Can Microsoft really make a quality product like this?” I was amazed at the build quality and when I first touched the tablet I felt the richness. Keep in mind that I have never played with it till this morning the first thing I did was to attach the Touch Cover. The clicking sound it made brought a smile on my face. Still asking the same question “is this really a Microsoft product”. I started my journey with the power button and ended my day telling my wife how amazing it was. Her comment about 10 mins ago was “Are you planning on marrying this tablet, all day you were telling me how beautiful this product was”.
The setup process was a breeze. It took me all 10 Mins to finish the entire setup. My 60 year old mother can do it. The best part was trying figure out he finger gestures. As a guy I refuse to read manuals but the small video on the startup / setup screen was helpful. I think Microsoft should force users to perform some test / calibration swipes to simply train users on the tasks. I installed some apps and it was a simple step. I setup my Office 365 account and wow never had an easier mail setup than that. My SkyDrive account decided to show up right on the home screen with all my files ready to go. My contacts were there did not have to look for it. IE was wonderful (I never thought, I can use IE on a tablet but OH MY GOD) it was great.
Then during lunch one of my customers called asking me if I could login to their server ASAP to disable a user. I said to myself let me try and setup a VPN on my Surface. It took a few extra steps but successfully did it. Then came the great part, I clicked on the Remote Desktop app and wow this thing was a laptop. I used the Touch Cover and Mouse to get my work done.
In my humble opinion Microsoft actually put a lot of thought and effort into making this machine. It is blessing in disguise. Everything I wanted over the years. I like Apple products but could not use them for more than playing games or reading an email. I am not a music or movie buff so ITunes was an additional bloat ware. If Microsoft continues with this kind of development I am sure that most IT pros who depend on support services for their revenue will have to replace it with god knows what at this current time. I know it is very early into the product lifecycle to make this kind of claim but in my opinion one month on the field is long enough to find issues. I am still searching for issues. A few of my customers are already planning to purchase a bunch of Surface tablets to replace IPads (No Offence to Apple). Their thought process is if the Surface tab can have the real Word, Excel, Power Point then read PDF’s in a more than perfect way they cannot ask for more. More than that is the ability to print to almost any printer by just connecting the USB cable is what they want when they travel to a jobsite.
In a confused state of mind I do not know if I should say Microsoft keep up the good work or tell them “Hey you are going to put me out of a job, so start screwing up again”. According to one of my customers who preordered the Surface just to see how it felt, Microsoft should spend their Billion marketing dollars in sending 5 Surface tablets to every Fortune 500 company in the country and just wait. This product will engulf the corporate world as Windows XP did in the past.
hmm I would love to get one and Start getting some apps to run on this Surface Tablet to see the difference but when Apple luanching its iPad mini iPad 4, iPhone5 far more before, and Truely said as above LAst para article mentioned “Marketing is key”
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That was an amazing review. As an IT pro, I feel the same when I use Windows 8. It’s just too darn easy to use and consistent :D I cannot wait to get the Surface RT. Unfortunately New Zealand has poor access to such products :(
If you guys are gonna point out the Zune then I will point out the Newton. Some products fail…that doesn’t mean the company behind them is doomed to repeat.
@George Lewycky – If you think MS is a follower then you must think Apple is a blatant ripoff artist. They never invent anything but always take credit for the idea. Sheep like you are drunk off the reality distortion flavored kool-aid
Apples already dying fast enough..
The ” iPad Mini? ” LOL
Apple needs to quit, their products are getting worse and worse but are still EXTREMELY OVERPRICED? STAHP. PLESE.
the photo has it right. about the only way the Surface will kill an iPad is if you smash in an iPad’s screen with one.
“How Microsoft’s Surface just might kill the iPad” – if a cargo plane full of them crash on Apple headquarters in Cupertino – maybe. Otherwise, no.
Wow! Talk about wishful thinking. I refuse to buy anything with the stench of Ballmer.
hi rob, when you say “Where the PC was about performance, the iPad was about portability. Where the PC was about mice and keyboards, the iPad opted for touch, and where the PC was generally about productivity, the iPad was about entertainment.” that about sums it up perfectly. i see that the Surface has all of that. performance, portability, mice capability with dongle support, slick keyboad/cover, touch screen, productivity with the Surface pro’s full operating system, and linked to xbox, it has great entertainment value.
i agree with ian that two architectures is a bad idea. i would have simply leapfroged the competition with the “pro” and not try to compete with apple who has a tremendous lead and loyalty behind it. the need for apps is over rated if you have a full operating system on board. it needs to be priced right however. the RT is way too expensive for a first launch….and they should have thrown in the keyboard. if i were microsoft, i’d take a loss to get your foot in the door. fix bugs, add 3g, stick a stylus in it, and then this thing really is the ipad killer. coconutz247
Why does everyone keep calling the iPad a toy? There is literally nothing I couldn’t do on an ipad that I can do on my windows machine or Mac. Give me an example of something that can’t be done on it. I think people call it a toy because it’s just so much fun to use that they can’t call it work.
with a full operating system i can run all adobe cs5, big fish games, corel painter 12, and a ton more. i’m not sure an “app” for the ipad is in the same league. i don’t think there is enough storage to have all my full fledged programs, plus data, plus photos, plus music, plus movies….with me? besides with no dongle or imput device, it is difficult to upload files. face it….a laptop with mouse, keyboard, and a full operating system onboard is easier to produce or actually get something done. i’m not a kid….i need a real keyboard to type something and if i buy a bluetooth keyboard, then why not get a surface pro or a ultrabook? i use an ipad to look up crossword definitions or trivia, watch a movie, or play angry birds.
i’m thinking apple is getting left in the dust with lack of choice, lack of innovation, and crazy pricing. it’s a nice but expensive “toy”. coconutz247
Remember when they said Samsung was going to be the iPad killer? That never happened.
I disagree with Rob Enderle on tagging Apple with a “cost problem,” which he substantiates based on how Apple is pricing its latest product. Apple prices products where it thinks it can maximize revenue. The fact that it is the most valuable company in the world shows that, at least for now, it has the right formulas both for pricing and (based on its superior logistics) costing. This is not the boast of an Apple fanboy. Just an observation based on basic, MBA-student principles that Apple apparently has gotten right.
Actually they price to profit margin. That drives bottom line performance and stock price. But they can get burned by this when they price over market (remember when they had to take the massive iPhone price correction?). They also fund marketing well, something most others in their market don’t do.
When the iPod for Windows arrived, Apple was not trendy. It BECAME trendy after Windows users adopted it. Nobody – nobody – could have predicted that the iPod would change Apple’s fortunes and catapult it to dominance in devices and computers.
I seriously hope the Surface turns out to be as great of a tablet as MS is touting it to be. I have two iPads and two Android based tablets (Motorola Xoom and Xyboard), and it will be great to see other genuinely good tablets in addition to the iPad. There are too many crappy Android tablets that dilute the effect of the decent ones. The Nexus is a good start, but so far none of them come close to the iPad.
Yes- just like Zune was an iPod killer.
It could have been, it was designed to be an iPad killer. But execution was horrid. It was more robust but they didn’t market that, it could do video long before the iPad but they didn’t get the video part working until way late, it did subscriptions but they never defended that feature (and Jobs successfully called it stupid), then they cut models and funding. You can build a weapon but if you don’t use it properly it’ll fail.
The main reason I even have an iPad is only because of the AppStore. I personally prefer it to the android market or anything else.
I’ve owned iPhone and android. I prefer my android to iPhone for a few basic functions like dial by name, navigation, and ease of navigating through the phone. I’ve had an iPad and I prefer the Nexus 7 for size alone. The mini wasn’t available at the time. The iPad did have more to offer, but it was more than $280 more. I paid $200 for my Nexus 7. Nothing touches it at that price point, nothing. I also expect the Asus built product to last for quite some time.
Come on !! people…admit it!!! This Surface is the way to GOOOOO….Thanks Microsoft, you finally came with a
killer product after years of being in the shadow.
This ain’t your daddy’s Microsoft. The Surface is for real, a quality product, and taps the unplumbed potential of a customer base of Windows users who have wanted a tablet experience, but with a Windows OS. It doesn’t have to directly threaten iPad sales to succeed. Microsoft always learns from it’s failures, and the most important lesson has finally sunk in; the price of failure. They have enough money to recruit some of the best minds in the world to produce outstanding products–and that is precisely what they have done. Get use to it; the Surface Phone is coming next
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best thing about surface RT is you can link a printer/scanner to it – creating a tablet that has more practical uses if you don’t have a pc/laptop at home. Scanning documents to cloud and chucking them out. Or writing and printing a letter is important to me once in a while.
I’ve owned iPhone and android. I prefer my android to iPhone for a few basic functions like dial by name, navigation, and ease of navigating through the phone. I’ve had an iPad and I prefer the Nexus 7 for size alone. The mini wasn’t available at the time. The iPad did have more to offer, but it was more than $280 more. I paid $200 for my Nexus 7. Nothing touches it at that price point, nothing. I also expect the Asus built product to last for quite some time.
whoah wtf apple has way better softwares than microsoft and microsoft has stolen ideas from apple
Steve isn’t a bad guy, but to get perspective. He graduated top of his class at Harvard then went to work for a guy who dropped out of school and, over the last decade, has been unfavorably compared to another Steve who also dropped out of school. To suggest he has a chip on his shoulder would be a huge understatement. Once you understand this, at least you can understand why he is the way he is.
My god the commercial for the Microsoft Surface makes me want to buy five.
It is a nice ad, one of the best I’ve ever seen them do. The head of the group that did it is a friend of mine. I’ll pass your comment on, but I agree. Nice work.
Rob, how are you liking that Pixel Sense display on your surface? You really called that one. Kudos!
Hey, Rob, how are you liking that PixelSense display on your Surface? You really called that one. Kudos!
Early reports say the surface is loaded w/ issues…will have to prove itself in real-world usage first…
3 months to save up for a Surface Pro, unless an amazingly good Full HD Win 8 tablet/laplet/hybrid comes out in between. I will not buy another laptop, not anything less 1600×900, lack of performance, or less than 6 hours battery life.
I am woorking on putting ubuntu on a tablet and it will out do them all…
Yeah no :) I love Ubuntu but it’s not beating apple, MS or even android any time soon.
I am woorking on putting ubuntu on a tablet and it will out do them all…
As much as I would like that to happen, it won’t…
Microsoft would have to become “cool” and that will never happen. I believe it is a better product but Apple is still the “designer” model
Not for long, its all about personal taste. I dont like Apples design at all.
I am anxious to see how this plays out. Competition is always good for us, the consumers! From people I know who have tried it, they like it.
The sooner that people don’t continue to tout the idea that they will be doing ALL their professional movie and photo editing on the Surface RT, the sooner things will get better.
For some unfathomable reason, I’m seeing forumgoers claim that they’ll be able to load Photoshop and prompting begin editing their 20MB raw wedding photos. Or do the next Toy Story – all from the Surface RT.
Boy are they in for a surprise, you really can’t do that well on an Ultrabook, you really need far more power than any ultra mobile platform is going to provide for that kind of work.
Thinking further into this, it would have been REALLY smart for Microsoft to subsidize the Surface just to get it into the hands of consumers. $499 for a starting Surface tablet is really expensive IMO. MS should have set up the eco-system so they were collecting royalties on the apps, which would allow them to lower the price of the hardware, much like game console makers do. I’m not sure whether this crossed their mind or not at all.
They also should’ve subsidized Windows Phone when it launched — might have minimized the floundering :-(
Agreed. I wanted Windows phone to succeed to badly. I was in love with the Nokia Lumia 900.
Kill the iPad huh.. right. Talk about delusional.
Actually editing changed the title a little bit, my intent was to argue the design spec was as an iPad killer. But much like any weapon, just because you build a (insert name here) killer doesn’t mean it will actually do that job. But this product does appear to do a lot of things the iPad does poorly well and unlike Samsung, they didn’t just create a copy. If you are going to complete I like this approach better, but execution…
What exactly does the RT do well, that the iPad does poorly? Enlighten me, because as I have used both, I find that statement completely false.
initial reviews not looking good for surface though, including poor OS (it’s really not windows 8, it’s a poor subset) and a poorly engineered keyboard. but the promise of something new is certainly there
Actually the keyboard with real laptop keys seems to be doing OK, the less expensive one not so much.
Ipad caters to everybody…kids, teens, adults, elders.surface? Maybe students. I don’t know about businesses
Yes, health industries and sales people use iPads.
*convenient & functional.
overpriced… just as iPad
I still use a zune and it is about functionality. Transferring songs is a pain and if you don’t lock your zune then you are left with no battery next time. Two critical flaws, at least in my 8gb.
He has a point with the zune
Zune was good but the ecosystem around was dreadful, it had to fail.. I hope Microsoft has learn its lesson.
The thing about tablets, though, is that people want real computer *things* out of them. i mean, iPad is touted as a computer, yet still runs the same limited iOS version that the other iDevices use. it’s not a complete computer operating system, and the iPad is certainly NOT a computer as apple would claim it to be. However, if i actually thought tablets were good for something, i’d want a windows 8 tablet. i mean, come on, the processor alone, in architecture/compatibility and popularity enables a greater range of applications to be run on a windows tablet, with universal support to all other windows laptops/desktops. The Windows Tablets integrate the tablet into the rest of the computer family, with maximum compatibility between them all by making them all windows based with PC style hardware.
However, there will still be fans of the iPad. I don’t necessarily believe the iPad sales will decrease so much as tablet sales overall will increase, lowering Apple’s profit margin on the tablet market. The thing about the iPad is that is does what it does well, and you’re going to see a divergence of opinions in tablets. There will ALWAYS be the people who love their iPads for their compact size, great software, and stability. The thing about apple is that even if their shit is incredibly overpriced, it’s stable, and fast. They really know how to put a good solid product out there.
You clearly have never used an ipad in conjunction with an apple pc. And no, the RT surface doesn’t allow it to run a greater range of apps. It is quite limited. The iPad is completely seamless with an mac computer using air and itunes.
We are once again talking about two different camps: Microsoft and Apple.
The microsoft RT surface is similar to the iPad. Except it’s store has few apps and it hasn’t been around long enough to “prove” itself.
Microsoft had a shot at taking some market share from the iPad if the pro had been priced appropriately but it’s the same price as a decent laptop. because of that, people are more likely to just buy a laptop.
I understand the surface works well with other windows machines and networks. So does the iPad work well with all MAC architecture.
I find the integration with apple products is far easier and more intuitive.
Other people disagree. That’s why both companies still exist.
I think titles like “such and such is a ____ killer” are simply a way to get people polarized and for articles to be read. I suggest we all stop buying into this crap and just purchase what we like instead of trying to convince everyone that it’s the “best”.
No, the Zune came out too late. Apple was trendy. Zune wasn’t. Its never been about functionality because they did the same thing. Apple doesn’t have anything new now so the trendy factor is over. Not only is windows 8/XBox/Surface trendy, they’re conveni
microsoft is a follower not a leader or innovator – it will flop
I can’t wait to buy one
Anything windows is shit.
A follower? I have not seen anything new in apple in a while….just copy and paste and OVERPRICE.
Finally something that will kill a slowly dieing breed
“Now, both the iPad and Surface tablets have optional magnetic covers, but only Microsoft’s comes with a built-in keyboard.”
Exactly. The iPad does not require a keyboard. Although there are many third-party keyboards available, most iPad owners never need one or buy one.
On the other hand, a keyboard is a necessity for the Surface, especially for the “Pro” version. So of couse, Microsoft sells the Surface in ads (and in their stores) with the keyboard attached.
If tablets were cars, we would be looking at Jeeps, Mini Vans, and BMWs.
The Jeeps (Android tablets) are great for roughing it and outdoors-types (more technically inclined users) love them. But they are not very comfortable or useful driving in the city.
The mini Van (Surface) is a business oriented vehicle, not as large as full-sized delivery trucks, but can carry smaller loads. But business oriented mini Vans are not the most comfortable vehicles to drive around in, and you certainly wouldn’t want to buy one as your every-day, all-around vehicle.
Then there are the BMWs (iPads). Not meant for off-roaders (tech types who like to fiddle with things) and with no aspirations to be a truck or van. It is just a very fast, comfortable ride that takes the average user exactly where they want to go, quickly and with very little effort. And the roads (apps) that the BMW rides on are the most plentiful, and well designed and constructed.
These are three different vehicles geared to three different types of users. Each of them have the same opportunities to sell successfully, without hindering the other. It all depends on how large target market is for each one.
I think you make a good point each product really goes after a very different market, even the Surface Pro and regular versions. I don’t think that is being articulated well by any of the vendors yet (even Apple with the Mini). Whoever gets that right first will likely be the long term winner.
I went to the new metro area Microsoft store yesterday to check this product out (as well as the other Windows 8 hardware). In the end, the issue I have with this device is not the price or the external design, but the OS. I feel like Windows RT is, for lack of a gentler word, screwing the user with its limitations. No Outlook, no Windows Media Player…come on, a Windows flagship productivity device without Outlook (or the option for) doesn’t make a great deal of sense. This product won’t kill the iPad. Microsoft came far too late into the game. I think the Surface’s success hinges on whether or not consumers can be convinced tablets should be more than luxury devices.
Actually, Rob, Steve didn’t say “Only idiots would buy a tablet.” He said,
“It’s really slow to write stuff. You know, you could never keep up with your email if you had to write it all out. And so, it turns out people want keyboards…. if you’ve got a bunch of rich guys who can afford their third computers. You know they’ve got their desktop, they got a portable, and now they got one of these to read with, that’s your market.”
And that was in 2003. Laptops cost $1000 or more, not $400 or more. Add in software and you’re looking at $1500.
Jobs was right. The people I know who used e-book readers back then are wealthy. A lot of people used BlackBerries and Palm Pilots – mostly lawyers, people on Wall Street, and consultants. Blackberries, of course, had a keyboard. Palm Pilots had a keypad layout on the screen that you could tap with the stylus, as well as “Graffitti.”
And I think he had already started work on the iPad, which launched with a wireless keyboard, when he said this. I just think it is funny that the best use I’ve seen, in terms of productivity, with an iPad is with a case that attaches the keyboard to the product so the screen stands up and you can actually put both on your lap. If you do the tablet keyboard thing you need a stand for the tablet and then a table to put both on , something we fixed with the laptop and Surface designed in. But I agree, back then Jobs was right whether you were talking tablets or readers only folks that would pay the extra cost were willing to use them.
You should also remember that the only reason Jobs even cared about making a tablet, was because of that fateful party with Bill Gates. One of the Microsoft guys was bragging about how they’re making a tablet, irritating both Gates(because this was still NDA) and Jobs(who saw the fella as an idiot who didn’t know what he was doing).
Jobs had enough – and that moment made history.
History? Its just a f**king tablet! Get a grip.
Sounds like a made up story to me. You sure do know a lot about that particular situation….