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A Nokia executive claims that the youth no longer likes the iPhone and that Android is too complex. We rip apart these silly, but often repeated, attacks on both operating systems.

Nokia and Microsoft might be getting a little too close. It seems that the Finnish phone maker is picking up Microsoft’s bad habit of trashing the competition. During an interview with Pocket-Lint, a Nokia executive claimed that kids no longer like the iPhone and that Android is too confusing for the youth. This is despite piles of sales charts that say the exact opposite

“What we see is that youth are pretty much fed up with iPhones. Everyone has the iPhone,” said Niels Munksgaard, director of Portfolio, Product Marketing, and Sales at Nokia Entertainment Global. ”Also, many are not happy with the complexity of Android and the lack of security. So we do increasing see that the youth that wants to be on the cutting edge and try something new are turning to the Windows phone platform….The marketplace is extremely crowded. I refer to it as the sea of sameness. When you walk up to a retail shelf at Phones4U and see the number of black mono-blocks sitting on the shelf, it is very confusing to the consumer. We want to deliver services and phones that are different.”

There is so much wrong with this quote that we’ve decided to break it into sections and rip it apart, bit by bit. 

Everyone has the iPhone…thus making it uncool

First, let’s talk about Munksgaard’s statement on the iPhone: ”What we see is that youth are pretty much fed up with iPhones. Everyone has the iPhone.” 

This statement is reminiscent of one HTC America’s Michael Fichter tried to make back in September. ”I brought my daughter back to college — she’s down in Portland at Reed — and I talked to a few of the kids on her floor,” said Fichter. “And none of them has an iPhone because they told me: ‘My dad has an iPhone.’ There’s an interesting thing that’s going on in the market. The iPhone becomes a little less cool than it was. They were carrying HTCs. They were carrying Samsungs. They were even carrying some Chinese manufacture’s devices. If you look at a college campus, Mac Book Airs are cool. iPhones are not that cool anymore. We here are using iPhones, but our kids don’t find them that cool anymore.”

At least Fichter had a story to tell. Where is the data to support Munksgaard’s claims? The iPhone 4S recently launched and, from early estimates, it has increased iPhone sales by as much as 50 percent, maybe more, since its debut in October. Until March of this year, I lived next to a college campus and I have only seen an increase in iPhones, and all smartphones.  We have seen no evidence of a youth uprising or mass exodus against Apple. The company seems more popular than ever with those college-age and younger. 

Android is too complex for regular people

htc-rezound-review-front-screen-androidMoving on to the Android bashing section of Munksgaard’s quote: ”Also, many are not happy with the complexity of Android and the lack of security.”

This quote too is similar to a statement Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer made in October. At the Web 2.0 Summit, Ballmer joked that you need a degree in computer science to operate an Android phone. “You don’t need to be a computer scientist to use a Windows Phone. I think you do to use an Android Phone…It is hard for me to be excited about the Android phones.”

I’ll be the first to admit that Android is not the prettiest or best operating system I’ve ever seen, but it’s not much more complex than an iPhone (and certainly much easier to learn than Windows 7). The biggest problem with Android is that manufacturers tinker with the OS, making each version slightly different.

But if Android is too insecure and complex, why are companies like Samsung, whose 2011 financials have been bolstered by Android sales, encroaching on Nokia’s dominant sales position? Samsung phone sales have already exceeded 300 million units this year. Similarly, Android has turned HTC into a household name and helped bring Motorola back from the dead. The OS continues to gain momentum and has more than 40-50 percent of the smartphone market now. If it’s so complex, then why is it continuing to sell so astronomically well?

Windows Phone is on “the cutting edge”

Finally, Munksgaard addresses how the youth is moving toward Windows Phone, the physical design of phones, and how they all look the same: ”So we do increasing see that the youth that wants to be on the cutting edge and try something new are turning to the Windows phone platform….The marketplace is extremely crowded. I refer to it as the sea of sameness. When you walk up to a retail shelf at Phones4U and see the number of black mono-blocks sitting on the shelf, it is very confusing to the consumer. We want to deliver services and phones that are different.”

If “the youth” is clamoring for Windows Phone so they can be on “the cutting edge,” then why does the OS continue to bleed market share? There’s nothing cutting edge about the fact that Windows Phones are behind the curve in a number of areas. Microsoft still does not support important features like 4G LTE, NFC, and dual- or quad-core processors, among other things. If it weren’t for Microsoft’s deep pockets, the OS might not still be around at all. 

As for the “sea of sameness,” I agree. This is a fantastic point, except that the Nokia Lumia 710 and Lumia 800, aside from appearing in some fresh colors, are exactly the same as every other phone on the market. They’re rectangular, have a big screen, and touch buttons. 

I like Windows Phone. I don’t like distortions.

Don’t get me wrong. Windows Phone is a fantastic platform, and may be more intuitive than iOS or Android, but trying to lie about the competition isn’t becoming of Nokia, which has made a point to say it is a humble company now, trying to make a comeback. The Windows Phone operating system may be my favorite and I’m actually using a Windows Phone as my primary device right now, but this kind of talk isn’t going to win anyone over. Angering fans of Android and iOS will only make it more difficult to get them to give Windows Phone a chance in the future.

Microsoft and Nokia: Instead of trashing the competition, you need to direct your eyes toward 2012 and make sure you get those 4G LTE phones out in the US. 

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  1. eddiethehorse at 6:55pm 14th December 2011 Certain things in a life only appease a matured and rounded taste. Take for example wine. Give a child a sip of the ol' red, and you can be certain the child will spit it out.Those of you with the "matured and rounded taste" referred to above, will have already pre-empted the parallel's I am about to draw...The mere fact that a phone has a large following does not mean that it is a better device. Many people drive Fords, which does not make it a better car than say a Mercedes.The WP7 compared to IOS or Android is the clear leader of the pack. To make reference to market share at this early juncture is stupendous waste of server space.In a pound for pound sense the Windows Phone is a far superior OS. And for those of you that do not share this view, I refer you to paragraph one of this comment.
  2. Skinted-not-Minted at 2:53am 14th December 2011 Listening to the kids (15 -25 year old) on the trains and buses on various commutes, plus attending some music festivals in the UK this summer, the Iphone has definitely lost its “cool lustre”. Especially as now many of their parents now have Iphones, which just is not cool, they don’t wish be seen or associated with a phone that “Alan Partridge” of this world now have.
  3. Srinivas Rajkumar at 7:43pm 13th December 2011 Total waste of time this article.... iphone not cool well i leave that to Iphone lovers to decide and android not easy to use ..... utter crap... i learned to use android with in 10 min max after shifting from Nokia N97 mini which got corrupted... my android is awesome and I love it...
    1. TechFreak at 8:35pm 13th December 2011 You obviously didn't read the article, this is what Nokia said about the iPhone and Android phone, not the author. The author is saying Nokia is full of it.
      1. Srinivas Rajkumar at 8:39pm 13th December 2011 yup true... just saw the heading ...
        1. TechFreak at 8:41pm 13th December 2011 You are forgiven my friend! :)Welcome to the site!
          1. Srinivas Rajkumar at 8:45pm 13th December 2011 cheers mate....
        2. jesterking at 8:24am 14th December 2011 even if you just read the heading, you should have known that this is what Nokia said. ;) lol
          1. Srinivas Rajkumar at 8:48am 14th December 2011 ya had been reading too much article about what nokia said... so didnt read the heading at all... my bad :P
            1. jesterking at 9:46am 14th December 2011 lol
  4. coty-sheme at 6:14pm 13th December 2011 I was one of those teens who came from iPhone to Android then to Windows Phone. I've had this phone for over a year, which is a huge achievement for me. I usually had to have a new phone every six months. My phone doesn't ever freeze, integrated Facebook is cool, and Zune tops for being Awesome. Try windows phone for 30 days, personalize it, then sync your music and Facebook to it. You'll love it.
    1. TechFreak at 8:35pm 13th December 2011 And what apps do you have? Is there Spotify, Pandora etc?Also, what speaker dock are you using?
  5. rrathbun at 6:13pm 13th December 2011 Dear Mr. "Camp",It is clear by your article that your firmly in one "CAMP" (pun intended). Based on the articles content it seems you like stirring the pot more then anything else.Did you write the same article about Samsung's video's that trashed Apple?Did you dash out to defend Microsoft when Apple associated that fat bloated guy with a PC? - snicker, Apple did a good job, and I use Microsoft products and MACPoint is your article clearly relays your true colors and makes anything you write worthless since you come across as biased. Certainly you will attract the fanboys but who really cares what some exec says? Unless you so happen to own stock in one of the other companies, perhaps?I often wonder how many of these Internet rags are secretly in bed with companies on the side. Journalism on the web certainly does not lack bias. Perhaps journalism is too good a word for this bee hive swatting style.Guess that makes you a true Fanboy versus someone who can remain unbiased and untainted.
    1. TechFreak at 8:37pm 13th December 2011 So because you have a different opinion than the author, that means he is a sellout? Common on now kid, that's horse crap. There are a lot of people (me included) that think he is right on the money here.
    2. Jeffrey Van Camp at 10:21pm 13th December 2011 It's Mr. "Van Camp"What are my true colors? This article defends three different operating systems. It is an opinion piece and I am up front in saying that I do like Windows Phone as well. This is not being a fanboy; it's being honest with you. Last week I was using an Android device as my primary phone. Next week it could be an iPhone.This is not the Associated Press. There is plenty of room for opinion in journalism or blogging or whatever you care to call this. There's no such thing as being "untainted" or "unbiased." I am biased toward the consumer and the reader and what I perceive as fair. And if you read a piece by someone who's "untainted" then your'e reading something by someone who doesn't know what the hell is going on. Every experience taints someone, if that's how you choose to look at it.Are you sure you read the article?
  6. Scotty Quill at 4:39pm 13th December 2011 I've never really subscribed to being "cool" or "uncool" however I do know my iPhone is a great product, as I am fully aware the Android range is every bit a great product. I guess the desperate attempt by failing companies to discredit other brands simply points to just that, desperate!
  7. Andre Marshall at 8:00pm 13th December 2011 Nokia suck it up, you are an outdated company, you don't have any new ideas in the phone market. Any thing Apple is just cool even their stores. Android is just open source crap why would you bother.
  8. TechFreak at 11:14am 13th December 2011 I have to laugh at this coming from Nokia, a company that is all but dying. I can't remember the last time they predicted anything correctly. #fail
  9. Taco Salad at 5:59pm 13th December 2011 I feel like this whole article could have been avoided just by saying "No, Apple products aren't cool, and Android isn't too complex."
  10. Gloria Zwibel at 5:53pm 13th December 2011 It's at least right about the iPhone being uncool ;D
  11. Micah Watkins at 5:32pm 13th December 2011 Android=open source and easy to use.
    1. jesterking at 4:55pm 13th December 2011 open source = more secure and more advanced.
      1. rrathbun at 6:21pm 13th December 2011 Can I have some of that kool-aid your drinking Jesterking? I suppose you don't need antivirus for your MAC either?LMAOhttp://www.androidpolice.com/2011/10/01/massive-security-vulnerability-in-htc-android-devices-evo-3d-4g-thunderbolt-others-exposes-phone-numbers-gps-sms-emails-addresses-much-more/http://informationweek.com/news/security/mobile/232300423http://mashable.com/2011/11/30/android-backdoor-vulnerability/http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/12/05/serious_security_flaws_discovered_in_android_phones_samsung_and_htc_ignore_issue.html
  12. AliOmar at 9:29am 13th December 2011 I think Windows 8 with Microsoft Lync could be a threat to blackberry email/phones model
  13. Robert Robs Heptinstall at 5:28pm 13th December 2011 nokia suck now microsoft own them. Ud have to be a moron to have the windows phones
  14. Tom Pajak at 5:20pm 13th December 2011 IPhone use to be cool to have because it WAS exclusive to only AT&T...but since other carriers have it now the initial coolness factor has diminished...now people who buy it are buying it are buying it for the apps and what's under the hood NOT the look..after all the design isn't different from the previous model............as for the Android being complicated I have admit Nokia dropped the ball on that statement...once you start learning how to operate the phone it becomes quite easy...sure maybe the fact that you can tweak it all more than either iPhone or windows phones may scare you but its the fact that Android doesn't put a leash around its users that really scare Nokia...its all about controlling the individual in order to keep them brand loyal
  15. iMan at 9:10am 13th December 2011 iPhones are not uncool and will NEVER be uncool. Ian Bell, come back me up
    1. Ian Bell at 11:13am 13th December 2011 Agreed. I own an iPhone and I am cool. Too cool for school yo.
      1. iMan at 1:55pm 13th December 2011 Lol man. Well said
  16. Imran Khan at 4:25pm 13th December 2011 Well you must understand there is a world outside USA and it has some opinion !!!
    1. jesterking at 4:54pm 13th December 2011 Not everyone in the US thinks Apple is cool...
  17. jesterking at 7:21am 13th December 2011 Well, their right about the iphone being uncool anyway.
    1. Jeffrey Van Camp at 8:33am 13th December 2011 You think so? I mean, if you're an Android fan, of course iPhone is uncool, but Apple seems more popular than ever. I saw no shortage of kids waiting for the last iPhone.
      1. jesterking at 8:49am 13th December 2011 I just really hate apple! ;)
        1. TechFreak at 11:13am 13th December 2011 So...you are not cool? I thought you were...
          1. jesterking at 12:16pm 13th December 2011 I'm not a trendy hipster who has to have a fancy expensive product to show off how rich I am to people that I don't really care about!I keep it real! give me some dixie cups and some string and I'm good!
            1. TechFreak at 1:56pm 13th December 2011 The stereotypes of a few do not represent the whole brotha! I like Apple products, but I am not a hipster. Just a regular dude!
            2. whitewater2 at 7:59am 14th December 2011 It sounds like you hate the people that buy it, instead of the brand. I can make the argument that anyone that buy a Microsoft PC loves to have viruses, system crashes and reinstalls, but that is not the case. I am a huge fan of Apple and Microsoft as of late, you dont have to be one sided. Microsoft is making killer products in the past few years and hopefully continue.I never met an Android phone I fell in love with. Everyone I know that has an Android phone is always waiting for their upgrade time, rarely do I hear of that with people with iPhone or even the old Microsoft platform.
    2. Rhys Lloyd at 1:32pm 13th December 2011 Is poor grammar cool?
      1. jesterking at 1:39pm 13th December 2011 No, but poor grammar is allowable on the internet. Unless you're some kind of Nazi. In which case, meh.
        1. Rhys Lloyd at 1:44pm 13th December 2011 I fail to see how caring about grammar makes one a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.Poor grammar (and often spelling) considered allowable on the internet is the start of the demise of the English language. Shame really.Back on topic: has any considered that some of us use iPhones because they are practical and we actually like the product? I'm far from a hipster, and am even further from rich!
          1. TechFreak at 1:55pm 13th December 2011 huh ?"I fail to see how caring about grammar makes one a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.Poor grammar (and often spelling) considered allowable on the internet is the start of the demise of the English language. Shame really. "You lost me with this.
            1. Jeffrey Van Camp at 2:53pm 13th December 2011 I'm lost too. If there are specific problems with the article, you can point them out. But I'm not going to defend using the word "cool."
              1. Rhys Lloyd at 4:46pm 13th December 2011 Article is fine - it was in response to the original comment made by Jesterking. But the way the comments nest makes it difficult to see that. Not much you can do about that!
          2. jesterking at 4:42pm 13th December 2011 Clearly you have never heard of a Grammar Nazi? wow brah, loosen up!
          3. jesterking at 4:45pm 13th December 2011 As far as buying them because they are practical, I would tend to argue that. As far as the fact that you like the product... Have you ever owned any other touch screen smart phone for longer than 30 days other than the iphone? If you haven't you don't really know anything other than what you have been roped into believing. And that is, the iphone is practical and that you actually like it. repeat after me. You actually like it. You actually like it. It's practical. You actually like it.
            1. Rhys Lloyd at 5:05pm 13th December 2011 I haven't used other touch screen devices for more than 30 days, no. But I have used various other devices (not yet a Windows phone, I'm keen to have a play when I get the chance) and I found that they were just a bit more awkward to do the things I like to do.Much of this is definitely stemmed from my use of Apple products around my home. In particular, AirPlay and iTunes remote which I use daily. But also many of the apps I use have desktop versions which sync with (for now) only an iPhone app. Over many years of acquiring such software and hardware, it's completely impractical for me to switch; unless I have a very, very good reason to spend a huge amount of money changing all the various components.The iPhone as a device, yes I like it. I like the look and feel of it. I like that it fits nicely in my jeans pocket, and that I can use it with one hand. I even like the look of the icons (although in stark contrast of the Apple painstaking-detail approach, I do like the simple bold colours of the Windows Phone OS). I like that wherever I go, someone has an iPhone/iPod charger/music dock/sound system. I like the huge array of accessories available.For me (and many others), huge amounts of customisation isn't something I want. I once jailbroke my iPhone so I could customise it, but after a few months I went back to the standard OS as I preferred it, and I found that jailbreaking made it a little unpredictable. Not everyone wants complete control; we just want something that works smoothly.I would recommend an iPhone to almost anyone, but I wouldn't turn people off another device because it runs Android or Windows. Everyone has their preferences.The point I'm making (finally) is that owning an iPhone doesn't make me a hipster with too much money. Or a sheep following the crowd. Some of us like the product for what it is.
              1. jesterking at 5:15pm 13th December 2011 Well than you, my friend, are an outlier in the apple product ownership group. Most people, whom I know, only have an iphone because they think it's cool to have an iphone. Not necessarily because they like anything particular about it. Rather, it's the cool thing to own. It used to be that Apple was the product that you buy when you wanted to be different from companies like IBM and Microsoft. Now, they would have a hard time justifying that.In all honesty, I really despise Apple as a whole. Their whole business model sickens me. They have become the thing they once fought so hard against.I have owned an iphone, for two years. One of the worst phones I have ever owned. I couldn't do what I wanted. The call quality was lacking. And compared to other products on the market, I never felt like I had the best product out there.
                1. Rhys Lloyd at 5:33pm 13th December 2011 I actually like Apple's business model. And it's hard to argue against it, as the evidence is clear about the company's success. However there really is only room in the marketplace for one company to run their business the way they do.The reason Apple originally ran the 'think different' campaign was because that was their differentiation point from the other companies at the time. Naturally, campaigns need to evolve with the company. The company has grown considerably, and (obviously) the 'think different' approach doesn't make a scrap of sense now. Ironically, Microsoft would be better off running a similar campaign about Windows Phone.I will admit that as my iPhone 3GS approached the end of its life (read: contract; I don't upgrade for the sake of upgrading), I was longing for a different phone. Now I've upgraded (along with a new contract with an arguably better provider) to an iPhone 4S and I'm really happy with it.In my honesty, I despise Microsoft. I don't like their approach to software. Yet at the same time, the only console I own is an Xbox 360. So they have managed to get some things right. I think Microsoft became too dominate too quickly, and their innovation (which traditionally, Microsoft isn't known for) stagnated somewhat. If it wasn't for Apple pushing forward with OS X, it's unlikely we'd have Windows 7 at the polish it is currently; let alone the innovation we'll see in Windows 8 soon. Ultimately, we (the consumer) wins.In terms of brand loyalty, I will usually opt for an Apple product over a competitor - but I will still do my research first. At work I use Windows 7, and it's the first Windows OS I haven't hated since '95. Definitely a step in the right direction, but there are many things (including third party) which OS X offers that I do really miss when I'm at work.
                  1. rrathbun at 6:34pm 13th December 2011 Rhys,Clearly you are technology agnostic... Kudo's. Agreed, we need Apple to kick Microsoft in the behind so they wake up. Btw, Microsoft does have awesome ideas buried in the R&D bunkers. Problem is Balmer is a technical IDIOT and needs to be fired.The company needs someone leading the way with a vision of the future. Clearly Balmer needs to retire so that new blood can re-energize the company.
                    1. Rhys Lloyd at 6:42pm 13th December 2011 I don't doubt that Microsoft has brilliant people behind the scenes at Redmond. But I also believe it's a cultural thing at the company; which needs to change, but won't change with a man like Balmer at the wheel.The young energetic people with a vision of the future need to take his place. It is where Microsoft started to begin with.
                    2. TechFreak at 8:40pm 13th December 2011 Another problem is that the separate departments at Microsoft rarely work together to make sure their products and ecosystem sync. The Zune was a good example of that.I agree - MS has some great ideas, execution is just extremely poor.
                    3. Rhys Lloyd at 8:44pm 13th December 2011 Except the Zune really was a blatant attempt to make a new iPod. Oh Microsoft, always stealing Apple's (usually bought) ideas.Steve Jobs may have been an asshole (read his bio... wow), but his execution was brilliant.
                    4. TechFreak at 8:51pm 13th December 2011 This is true. Microsoft should have leveraged their existing platforms which could have given them the advantage, but they didn't. They screwed it.And, oh yeah, the Zune Marketplace used a credit system. What in the heck were they thinking!
                    5. Rhys Lloyd at 8:54pm 13th December 2011 A probable better (and more typically Microsoft) approach would have been to develop just the software which integrated with Windows Media Centre and just licence it out to manufacturers.Come to think of it, it's actually already on the way...
                    6. TechFreak at 9:03pm 13th December 2011 Yes.
                2. Mike Marra at 5:58pm 13th December 2011 Which one, and on AT&T right? AT&T sucks (bleep)
                  1. Rhys Lloyd at 6:31pm 13th December 2011 I'm Australian; I switched to Telstra. AT&T doesn't operate in Australia.
          4. rrathbun at 6:29pm 13th December 2011 Go start up a new company and check everyone's grammar for a living? We can connect SIRI to it and have the service integrated into the iPhone.Imagine all the m0n3y y0u'd m@k3 ch3ck1ng h0w w3ll we w1ght.
            1. Rhys Lloyd at 6:50pm 13th December 2011 The technology already exists, just no one uses it. There are already many editing companies which do actually do that for a living.Although it'd be better if people simply took a moment to think about what they were writing. I just fear that an appreciation for language will become a thing for old English teachers and the odd scholar.The thing is, we shouldn't have to think about our spelling and grammar. It really should just come naturally, without thought. I must have missed the memo when it became "cool" to write everything shorthand.
            2. jesterking at 8:22am 14th December 2011 yeah but Siri would just sit there and say "I'm sorry, I do not understand what you are saying".
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