Comments on: Palm + Microsoft: Second Sign of the Apocalypse http://www.digitaltrends.com/talk-backs/palm-microsoft-second-sign-of-the-apocalypse/ Upgrade Your Lifestyle Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:06:50 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Steve H http://www.digitaltrends.com/talk-backs/palm-microsoft-second-sign-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-58481 Steve H Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:08:36 +0000 #comment-58481 Interesting to read this some three years later. In addition to a major flaw in Rob's historical section, no surprise at all. In addition, take a look at the genius behind his vision. Microsoft has produced a few flops since then, probably none so large as Vista. They have produced a huge loser in the Zune, Apple has done a few things with the iPod, and yeah, they have this thing called iPhone. They also have a bit larger share of the market than they sued to.<br /> <br /> Between Enderle and Tantrum, where are they now? <br /> Interesting to read this some three years later. In addition to a major flaw in Rob's historical section, no surprise at all. In addition, take a look at the genius behind his vision. Microsoft has produced a few flops since then, probably none so large as Vista. They have produced a huge loser in the Zune, Apple has done a few things with the iPod, and yeah, they have this thing called iPhone. They also have a bit larger share of the market than they sued to.

Between Enderle and Tantrum, where are they now?

]]> By: Martin Scheffer http://www.digitaltrends.com/talk-backs/palm-microsoft-second-sign-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-58480 Martin Scheffer Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:41:36 +0000 #comment-58480 Apple was collaborating with hundreds of developers, giving them access to documentation (Inside Macintosh), answering question about the API etc.<br /> <br /> Microsoft was probably one of the earliest to get developer support, but that's all.<br /> <br /> by the way, Multiplan was NOT released in januari 84, but almost a year later.<br /> <br /> the original mac only had Mac Paint and Mac Write.<br /> <br /> i don't see how that fact can be transformed into "Microsoft helped Apple write mac os" (after the edit), or, Microsoft wrote mac os.<br /> <br /> astonishing.<br /> <br /> Apple was collaborating with hundreds of developers, giving them access to documentation (Inside Macintosh), answering question about the API etc.

Microsoft was probably one of the earliest to get developer support, but that's all.

by the way, Multiplan was NOT released in januari 84, but almost a year later.

the original mac only had Mac Paint and Mac Write.

i don't see how that fact can be transformed into “Microsoft helped Apple write mac os” (after the edit), or, Microsoft wrote mac os.

astonishing.

]]> By: oh Boy http://www.digitaltrends.com/talk-backs/palm-microsoft-second-sign-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-58479 oh Boy Fri, 09 Dec 2005 13:47:22 +0000 #comment-58479 Folks,<br /> <br /> 1. Apple I, II, II computers (not equal) Macintosh computers<br /> 2. PPC Processor (not equal) Macintosh computers<br /> 3. Creating applications (not equal) creating an Operating System<br /> 4. Providing a programming language (not equal) creating an Operating System<br /> 5. Providing applications and programming languages (not equal) Helping create an Operating System<br /> 6. Palm (not equal) Apple spin off <br /> <br /> I have no qualm with Enderle. Don't know him, heard of him but haven't read much of his stuff. As a columnist in America he is, of course, free to write what ever he wants. <br /> <br /> As reader, I expect facts presented in an article - even opinion pieces - be true. Especially if they are used as supporting elements of an argument or examples of the "big picture" that the article is supposed to be about.<br /> <br /> Correcting a statement in an article with information that is still inaccurate is disappointing and poor journalism. Folks,

1. Apple I, II, II computers (not equal) Macintosh computers
2. PPC Processor (not equal) Macintosh computers
3. Creating applications (not equal) creating an Operating System
4. Providing a programming language (not equal) creating an Operating System
5. Providing applications and programming languages (not equal) Helping create an Operating System
6. Palm (not equal) Apple spin off

I have no qualm with Enderle. Don't know him, heard of him but haven't read much of his stuff. As a columnist in America he is, of course, free to write what ever he wants.

As reader, I expect facts presented in an article – even opinion pieces – be true. Especially if they are used as supporting elements of an argument or examples of the “big picture” that the article is supposed to be about.

Correcting a statement in an article with information that is still inaccurate is disappointing and poor journalism.

]]> By: V-Train http://www.digitaltrends.com/talk-backs/palm-microsoft-second-sign-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-58478 V-Train Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:32:41 +0000 #comment-58478 RX8, how is it professional to basically make up information to support your position?<br /> <br /> Is there flaming in the comments? Sure. But there are also plenty of thoughtful posts that directly contradict Enderle's baseless contentions. RX8, how is it professional to basically make up information to support your position?

Is there flaming in the comments? Sure. But there are also plenty of thoughtful posts that directly contradict Enderle's baseless contentions.

]]> By: Guru http://www.digitaltrends.com/talk-backs/palm-microsoft-second-sign-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-58477 Guru Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:13:07 +0000 #comment-58477 My God. <br /> <br /> I have direct knowledge within Palm at the time that Enderle is talking about. <br /> <br /> Palm hired maybe 5 or 6 developers from the Newton team. They were *good* developers, but *they* came to work on an already-established product. There were other former Apple developers that worked at Palm, but it was the same situation for them. They certainly didn't come as a spin-off from Apple, nor did they bring anything from Apple other than personal opinions. The Legal people wouldn't have tolerated anything else.<br /> <br /> Other than that, there was absolutely *no* connection between Apple and Palm.<br /> <br /> Mr. Enderle, I now know from first-hand information that your articles consist mainly of poorly-researched drivel and wild conjecture; unfortunately, I have no time for writing such as this so I will be avoiding your tagline in the future. Your loss.<br /> My God.

I have direct knowledge within Palm at the time that Enderle is talking about.

Palm hired maybe 5 or 6 developers from the Newton team. They were *good* developers, but *they* came to work on an already-established product. There were other former Apple developers that worked at Palm, but it was the same situation for them. They certainly didn't come as a spin-off from Apple, nor did they bring anything from Apple other than personal opinions. The Legal people wouldn't have tolerated anything else.

Other than that, there was absolutely *no* connection between Apple and Palm.

Mr. Enderle, I now know from first-hand information that your articles consist mainly of poorly-researched drivel and wild conjecture; unfortunately, I have no time for writing such as this so I will be avoiding your tagline in the future. Your loss.

]]> By: RX8 http://www.digitaltrends.com/talk-backs/palm-microsoft-second-sign-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-58476 RX8 Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:07:56 +0000 #comment-58476 I wouldn't call it "guts" V-Train, I would call it professionalism. I don't know of any journalists that wold sink down to the level of flame this thread has turned into. I wouldn't call it “guts” V-Train, I would call it professionalism. I don't know of any journalists that wold sink down to the level of flame this thread has turned into.

]]> By: V-Train http://www.digitaltrends.com/talk-backs/palm-microsoft-second-sign-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-58475 V-Train Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:47:44 +0000 #comment-58475 So Rob, you "fix" the Microsoft "inaccuracy" but you still have your contrived links between Apple and Palm. I already pointed out that "As Palm was largely founded from Apple?s Newton group" is a false statement, why haven't you fixed it?<br /> <br /> Personally, I think it's hilarious how you don't even have the guts to respond to any of the comments, which are clearly more well thought than your article, which is still riddled with stuff you made up. So Rob, you “fix” the Microsoft “inaccuracy” but you still have your contrived links between Apple and Palm. I already pointed out that “As Palm was largely founded from Apple?s Newton group” is a false statement, why haven't you fixed it?

Personally, I think it's hilarious how you don't even have the guts to respond to any of the comments, which are clearly more well thought than your article, which is still riddled with stuff you made up.

]]> By: Rick Schallack http://www.digitaltrends.com/talk-backs/palm-microsoft-second-sign-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-58452 Rick Schallack Mon, 03 Oct 2005 05:18:15 +0000 #comment-58452 Um, Rob, did you even read that history you link to? I don't think you did. Yes, Microsoft wrote some important programs for the Mac and they worked with Apple to get their programs right, but Microsoft does that every day with their partners. I don't see you writing " helped Microsoft write Windows" From that article:<br /> "Having worked closely with Apple during the development of the Macintosh, Microsoft is positioned to be the LEADING DEVELOPER OF APPLICATIONS for the machine, offering BASIC, Multiplan, File, Word, and Chart." (my emphasis)<br /> <br /> Do you see "Microsoft helped develop the MacOS"? No, you don't. Just like Microsoft's partners don't contribute to the design of Windows (except from a user/suggestion perspective, remember: Microsoft puts in what features they see fit to add), Microsoft did NOT help design the Mac OS. <br /> <br /> I have to think you were under the influence of mind-altering medication when you wrote this article. Um, Rob, did you even read that history you link to? I don't think you did. Yes, Microsoft wrote some important programs for the Mac and they worked with Apple to get their programs right, but Microsoft does that every day with their partners. I don't see you writing ” helped Microsoft write Windows” From that article:
“Having worked closely with Apple during the development of the Macintosh, Microsoft is positioned to be the LEADING DEVELOPER OF APPLICATIONS for the machine, offering BASIC, Multiplan, File, Word, and Chart.” (my emphasis)

Do you see “Microsoft helped develop the MacOS”? No, you don't. Just like Microsoft's partners don't contribute to the design of Windows (except from a user/suggestion perspective, remember: Microsoft puts in what features they see fit to add), Microsoft did NOT help design the Mac OS.

I have to think you were under the influence of mind-altering medication when you wrote this article.

]]> By: Rick Schallack http://www.digitaltrends.com/talk-backs/palm-microsoft-second-sign-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-58453 Rick Schallack Mon, 03 Oct 2005 05:18:15 +0000 #comment-58453 Also, just to show that I read the whole article, what exactly is Rob Enderle "trying to show us"? Is he saying that the new Palm + Microsoft partnership will make Palm a major player ... in a market ... somewhere. He seems to think that people will magically turn away from things like computers and iPods to devices that embrace "convergance". <br /> <br /> The problem here is that PDAs are a niche market. Phones are not. Unless you already use a PDA, a PDA/cell phone is not compelling for the price. Adding media players to the mix just illustrates how inferior the Treo is compared to a dedicated unit. I mean, does anyone who owns a Treo say "Wow, a camera too, I guess I don't have to buy a digital camera". Of course not. You wouldn't use a Treo to take photos of your next family outing and print them out. Convergance devices will be niche devices for the forseeable future: Until the convergance device can equal the quality of the stand-alone device. And this may never happen.<br /> <br /> Would I buy a Treo? Maybe. If it were priced more like a phone. And did not have a camera, mp3 player, etc. Also, just to show that I read the whole article, what exactly is Rob Enderle “trying to show us”? Is he saying that the new Palm + Microsoft partnership will make Palm a major player … in a market … somewhere. He seems to think that people will magically turn away from things like computers and iPods to devices that embrace “convergance”.

The problem here is that PDAs are a niche market. Phones are not. Unless you already use a PDA, a PDA/cell phone is not compelling for the price. Adding media players to the mix just illustrates how inferior the Treo is compared to a dedicated unit. I mean, does anyone who owns a Treo say “Wow, a camera too, I guess I don't have to buy a digital camera”. Of course not. You wouldn't use a Treo to take photos of your next family outing and print them out. Convergance devices will be niche devices for the forseeable future: Until the convergance device can equal the quality of the stand-alone device. And this may never happen.

Would I buy a Treo? Maybe. If it were priced more like a phone. And did not have a camera, mp3 player, etc.

]]> By: J Powell http://www.digitaltrends.com/talk-backs/palm-microsoft-second-sign-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-58454 J Powell Fri, 30 Sep 2005 05:00:14 +0000 #comment-58454 Actually, Rob E, you should read the page you hyperlinked to more carefully. If you do, you'll notice that project "Sand" refers to Microsoft's early development of Mac-based applications, not the MacOS, itself. Actually, Rob E, you should read the page you hyperlinked to more carefully. If you do, you'll notice that project “Sand” refers to Microsoft's early development of Mac-based applications, not the MacOS, itself.

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