I’m kind of fascinated with the coverage of Steve Jobs’ passing. I’ll watch knowledgeable people argue that Steve was unique, crazy smart, and connected to every part of Apple including the invention of its most successful products: the iPod, iPad, and iPhone. These same people will then argue that Apple will largely be unchanged with his passing. To me, that’s like arguing a diamond ring will be unchanged after the diamond is removed. However, Apple will be what it will be. Rather than talking about that anymore, let’s talk about the TV Apple is rumored to be working on.
I’ve now heard from a number of reasonably reliable sources that Apple has picked up panels and technology that would imply it is working on its own TV. Initially, thinking back at HP and Pioneer’s failed TV attempts, I thought this was crazy. Now, well I still think this is crazy, but let’s talk how Apple might be successful.
Apple’s successes
Apple’s biggest successes have been with products people carry in unsaturated markets. When the iPod came out the MP3 player market was tiny, largely because most of the products were, well, junk. Apple blew up that market and took the majority of share by being the first to sell an end-to-end solution, and by blocking HP’s entry (HP had a similar solution, but I won’t tell that story again here).
With the iPhone, smartphones were a small fraction of the market, and it was dominated by the BlackBerry, a business-focused product that required a specialized server to work properly. Microsoft was in the market, but its device was saddled with a browser that was an embarrassment, and a user interface that, well, looked a lot like Windows. Apple entered with a better end-to-end solution, app stores, and a vastly easier to use and more capable offering. Again, Apple exploded the market and took a large chunk of it. The only reason Apple doesn’t continue to dominate is because the carriers don’t like the deals they have to cut with Apple to get its products, and so the majority have been pushing Android-based phones instead.
The iPad was more similar to the iPod in that it entered a tablet market dominated by Windows tablets, which were expensive, heavy, had poor battery life and a touch experience that sucked. Apple’s product was cheaper, lighter, had better battery life, and a better user experience. Again, Apple exploded the market and was the big beneficiary in it.
Apple’s success formula appears to be to take an underperforming market, fix the solution (not just the hardware), and reap the majority of the benefits.
The TV market
Now let’s look at the TV market. This is a saturated market. People don’t just have one, but often they have several TVs in the home and TVs have a useful life of around eight years. The market has commoditized around current flat-screen technology, and both smart TVs and 3D TVs have been struggling to penetrate.
But, in a way, this is similar to the MP3 market, which had underneath it products like the Sony Walkman which played tapes or CDs.
People are watching more programing on demand and getting more and more off the Web. This could be the equivalent of the then-new MP3 market, suggesting a similar approach could work here. In other words, doing for the smart TV what Apple did with the iPod and iPad. Adding programming, apps (likely mostly games), and an unmatched user experience. Like the iPad, Apple they could then subsidize (take a slimmer margin on) the TV and still both provide a better experience and maintain high margins. The money would come from licensing accessories, or skimming a portion of the profit on sold apps and content, which is mostly pure profit.
Don’t forget about Starbucks
Given the high risk and lack of success for Apple TV (which is arguably the best in its class today) I still am doubtful Apple will take this risk. But I also know Steve Jobs hated TV, and he is gone now, so it is far more likely than it was while he was still there.
One final example is Starbucks. Before Starbucks, coffee was sold by pretty much everyone, and from anywhere from a quarter to seventy five cents. It was the definition of a saturated market. Starbucks entered with a European-inspired product and connected it to status. As much as it pains me, I have a Starbucks coffee most mornings (I didn’t even like coffee before this). However there is one thing all of these successes have in common: They were products you carried and people saw you with. They gave personal status. Things that go into the home are seen by far fewer people, and don’t have the same status associated with them. Yes color TVs and flat screens, when they first came out, were considered a status symbols but they don’t have the impact of an iPhone or iPad.
I think if Apple can find a way to address this and still do for the TV what they did for the iPod and iPad, it could actually be an even bigger success. Given the risk, I still doubt Apple will do it, but I don’t doubt that it could be done. We’ll see, because I likely would have said the same thing about the iPad, given the lack of success for the Windows tablet. Steve Jobs’ Apple was defined by a little bit of crazy, crazy smart, and crazy lucky. We’ll see if the new Apple has a little of the right crazy in it.
Apple knows they also have to spend money to make money. All the banners, commercials, ads in general, sell items. With all the Cgi and bandwagon approach that they use kids and even adults feel belittled if they don’t have it lol, I’ve been around long enough to see that, and being an IT I’ve seen it more as I get older….its kind of sick.
What about an Apple branded TV?
Let’s not overrate Apple. It took S.Jobs 35 years & struggles to come to this point.
Facebook, Google & others have come to hyperbolic success in much shorter time.
They have been trying with Apple TV since 1993, mostly unsuccessfully.
As of SIRI being a killer app – there are equivalent technologies & only a gimmick at the moment.
The media channels will compete to control your TV with voice commands.
I think XBOX with Kinect has better chance to provide more productive audio/visual/motion TV control.
make a “Siri” enabled TV operated by voice commands …and you might just have a winner.
Is it so hard to put a coaxial input x1,component input x2,hdmi input x4,optical input x2, optical output x2.
you don’t need appl tv there are plenty of onlinetv sites that broadcast every cable or sat channel for free I use three such sites that allows me to watch whateverr I want for the price of an internet connection, don’t get caught up in apple’s hype they are just another greedy tech company that is not compatible with anything…
you don’t need apple tv there are plenty of great streaming websites to watch ev ery tv channel you can nwatch on cable or sat.,don’t get conned into apple’s hype…
Apple not compatible with anything? Sounds about right to me.
Yes, Apple makes very cool gear. And Apple not compatible with anything, what are you joking….dickhead.
I am considering a mini for the lounge room, though i have not looked into streaming tv show’s and movie’s as yet. Tv show’s are created with ads in mind, with a lot of people watching tv show’s without the ad’s, maybe the producer’s of said show’s have to rethink there tv show format. Personally i think tv and radio advertising need’s to some how become more personalized like on the web, related to what your search for. Til that happen’s smart tv’s will just be used for social media purpose’s.
People want the gadget, that’s how its going to be. If somebody, and I read this recently, would put off their own light bill, just to own the new droid to be with the in-crowd , then yes, anything Apple is going to sell because the new generation loves gadgets and brand names. What are the adverse effects though lol, obese children?
Ohh yeahhh…!!!
apple did “trade into foreign territory” with the iPod, iPhone & iPad so ….
Only if I can install plex or xbmc on it.
Yup.
i’m sure they could!!
they already make some of the best computer monitors/screens that i ever worked on..
What about an Apple branded TV?
they did it with smart phones, I think they can do it with anything. TVs included.
Internet tv is coming so there’s no need to even question this
I completely see Apple entering this market. It’s been done and not done well – look no further than Yahoo! Widgets being placed on TVs to see a “been there, done that” scenario. Is it hard to believe that Apple wouldn’t come in and create the first, true Smart TV?
Apple TV which like you said is the “best in category”. With the iOS App Store and the Mac App Store being successful, it’s not exactly a stretch to see Apple wanting to expand into the living room with a whole new 10′ App Store.
They all ready have the Mac Mini designed to work with the TV environment with it’s HDMI connection so when you put that with the Apple TV you all ready know Apple has set its sights on the living room.
The consumer would only have to buy one device, the “iTV”, and they would have a television set with a built in gaming console, apps, movies, music, web browsing and social networking all within 1 unit. With a new store built and selling apps for the 10′ environment they would have a whole new ecosystem. Add in 3D capabilities and you really wouldn’t need anything else. Say goodbye to XBOX and PS3.
I want to also address something that I think people don’t get… people have stated in the past, that Apple would never get into the TV market because profit margins on TVs are so tight. Yes, that’s entirely true except that with an iOS / iTV App Store in place they have nothing to worry about. Why do you think Amazon is selling the upcoming Kindle Flame at a loss? Because they’re confident that they’ll make up for it by selling digital content. No one sells digital content better than Cupertino. Nobody.
You still think Apple can do this without Steve Jobs though? Research has shown that people do not like adding extra set top boxes to their setup. That’s why Google is trying to get integrated more with YV manufacturers (the Logitech Revue bombed bad).
Is this why Apple has to get into the TV business?
Are you asking me Ian, if I think Tim Cook, Jony Ive, Peter Schiller, Scott Forstall know their business? You better believe it. They’re the best in the industry. One man doesn’t make an entire company. He surrounded himself with the best.
I agree with you. Obviously Steve was the guy selling the vision, the rest of his team are the ones that really helped make it happen right.
Apple will most likely get into the TV business because let’s face it, their flagship products revolved around a screen. Macs, iPod, iPhone, iPad, and Apple TV. The most logical place to take the company is to converge all their technology into a single solution… a smart TV. It’s the largest screen in the house right?
I don’t think so. They would need to recreate games like Halo and LittleBigPlanet. The Xbox and PS3 are here to stay for at least until 2014
I’m thinking more like market share not the end of all console gaming. Look what the iPhone and iPod Touch are doing to sales of the portable game player market.
I could actually see games on the Xbox 360 or PS3 looking better on an Apple TV display (if its as high quality as their Cinema displays).